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[lutile]

I really liked this ep. I don't think Nick is being a jerk, granted he was pretty testy with Shannon, but I thought it was because he did not want to face even the possiblity of Burton's death.

As for Lulu, I am in agreement that she is not showing much excitement about the baby, or starting a new life with Nick. She said that she 'did not want to have an abortion', not 'I want to have your baby'. They are very different to me. I am not sure why, I realize she is pretty troubled, but I also question whether or not she is actually in Love with Nick.

The next two episodes look really interesting and will hopefully explain a few things.

[tk2003]

Hey, an episode I liked, yay! I'd about sworn off watching it again.

The Nick-Burton scenes were great, as they usually are; this time they weren't overshadowed by other stuff too. And I was glad to even see a bit of Jake.
Nick's torturous aftermath after his spiral of sex'n drink seemed very realistic. DH can't do the male-female relationship well but he handles the other stuff superbly. I'm glad this ep reminded me of that.

[tk2003]

Did anyone ever figure out why Nick even liked Lulu?

And -- I've never got the impression she really cared about him much;sheesh, still the queen-of-disconnect right up through tonight's ep.

[SimoneS]

Anyone notice that there is absolutely no chemistry between Nick and Lulu tonight. These should have been hard wrenching poignant scenes, but zip, nada. They need to free Nick from the Lulu relationship because it just isn't working. If only because Nick is so remote from everyone, except the rare moments that he has with Burton and of course, their scenes were outstanding.

[Chenin]

I actually like the Nick/Lulu relationship. Well I could if I felt Nick was capable of a one. I've found myself really disliking him the last few weeks as he's become even more closed off(if that's possible). So Lulu said no to getting married. They're still pretty early on, and she just got divorced. Of course she's not ready yet. Up until his confession tonight I felt no sympathy for him. I can understand his fear of abandonment, and I can see that he's trying to protect himself by chasing Lulu away before she just leaves. Still, like Lulu, I don't think sleeping with the skank was the best way to go. I thought both SB & WM were stellar during Nick's confession. My heart broke for both of them. As always the Burton/Nick scenes rocked.

[isoup]

So Lulu said no to getting married. They're still pretty early on, and she just got divorced.

I think she was right to say no to his proposal, but she was so nasty about it - no indication that she was sensitive to his feelings as she rejected him. It's what I'd call a matter of common decency, let alone the fact that these two people are allegedly (ahem, cough, splutter) in love.

Did anyone ever figure out why Nick even liked Lulu?

It's the dimple. It's gotta be the dimple.

[LizaJane]

Did anyone ever figure out why Nick even liked Lulu?

It's the dimple. It's gotta be the dimple.

I thought she sprayed herself with deer urine. The secret magic properties of deer urine! It is set in western PA, after all.

[lutile]

Well I could if I felt Nick was capable of a one. I've found myself really disliking him the last few weeks as he's become even more closed off(if that's possible). So Lulu said no to getting married. They're still pretty early on, and she just got divorced. Of course she's not ready yet. Up until his confession tonight I felt no sympathy for him.

I think Nick loves Lulu, and is realizing that she may not feel the same way about him. He has reached out to her several times, and has had his hand slapped for his effort. My problem is not that she turned his proposal down, I understood that, but she did it with no repsect at all for his feelings. He has had my sympathy all along, right now Lulu does too. I do not think after all the time invested, this relatioship is going away, but I think I woud like a break from it. Perhaps later Lulu could persue Nick.

[kathie000]

Did anyone ever figure out why Nick even liked Lulu?

Boy aren't you a stickler for details.

[tikvah]

watching nick and lulu is painful. trying to guess what emotions (if they actually have any) is plain boring. how did they ever communicate enough to even get together to conceive a baby? too bad they can't run little dialogue blurbs to show what may (and that's a stretch) be going on in their minds when they look but don't speak.

[ExplainItAgain]

OK, I'm going against the grain here. I loved this episode. This is the first time I've felt sorry for Lulu at all. She's sort of trapped into this relationship with Nick now.

Word to the person who said that Nick is in love with Lulu and she is not in love with him. He's finally figured out that she's not in love with him and it's driving him crazy.

I don't think Nick and Lulu have any chemistry together, but I really thought the scene where he tells her in bed was well done. I bought the acting in that scene, even if the rest of the show leaves much to be desired.

And Simon Baker in a speedo...Simon Baker in pin stripes...Simon Baker in hooded sweatshirts...siiiiiigh. He's quite a specimen of hunk.

ETA: And I STILL hate the Suzanne character. Never gonna like her.

This post has been edited by ExplainItAgain: Jan 7, 2004 @ 2:03 pm.

[wxchick]

I found myself wandering during last night's episode ... mainly because I'm addicted to the latest Texas Hold 'Em poker craze: Celebrity Poker.

That said, I agree that Suzanne is a skank, but, hey, I think Nick is looking for some warmth. Sex with a warm, if skanky, body ... one that has a heartbeat ... is more than he'll find in cold-as-a-corpse Lulu's crypt ... er ... bed.

I do love the drama between Nick and Burton.

[Milz]

Trapped? Lulu's not trapped. She can easily do what Nick said: take the baby, tell the courts that he's a probationer who's broken some terms of his probation, and she'll never have to deal with him again.

Burton summed up Nick as selfish. Well, I think Lulu is just as selfish: doesn't want to get married, but has no problem taking out a 20 year mortage with Nick; doesn't have the guts to tell her dad she doesn't want him at her house, so she moves in with Nick. Nick might not be a "man" as Burton said, but Lulu ain't no adult either.

[ExplainItAgain]

I meant trapped in the sense that If she's going to have a baby with Nick, they are going to have to have some sort of relationship. She could take the baby and leave, but she never would. Not only because this is fiction and that would never make sense for the show, but also because that's just the way Lulu is. She's bringing trouble on herself. If she loves Nick, they should get married and live together. If she doesn't love him, she should move out and try to maintain a civil relationship with the man who is her baby's father.

They are both selfish up the wazoo.

[tk2003]

Anyone notice that there is absolutely no chemistry between Nick and Lulu tonight.

This is new? !

And let's see, they've had her in a car wreck, and given a the job offer in CA , and still can't get rid of her. Yep, must be that dimple or the deer urine.

I really enjoyed Burton wth Nick, first all fuzzy offering the managing partnership to Nick, then angrily withdrawing it later (now there a hazard of partnership in the family).

Interesting to see how Nick's visits to Suzanne Pell were so sly and ambiguous; both times he looked to make sure no one was watching before he went inside the door--like he could have been visiting his dealer.

Amusing to see Nick stumble in to his dad's house with an alchohol buzz on, and there's Burton sitting alone with his big fancy bottle (which he did not offer Nick:).

BTW, I haven't kept up this season, but has Burton moved house? His digs looked different from what I remembered.

The story about the boy, whose father had gunned those people at Kane Industries was sad.