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[sasaki]

The ice cream shop may afterall be Tony's vision of heaven.

It thought of this. But considering how incredibly reported the ice cream shop scene was - I think even Entertainment Tonight covered it, I think that was a phony ending.

It would be very disappointing if Meadow died. It would be very unoriginal for such an original series. Although there are always subtextual references to all sorts of things including the Godfathers, this is just too close.

This post has been edited by sasaki: May 22, 2007 @ 2:52 pm.

[mstvholic]

I too was thinking the Ice Cream parlor ending was phony. To throw people off.

But I am a little confused, I have gone back and read a lot of the earlier posts looking for the origin of the "Meadow being killed rumor." All I could find is the bogus spoiler that everyone has been talking about. Is there another source for this rumor that I may not have found?

[mrbluesman]

The ice cream shop may afterall be Tony's vision of heaven.

Well, maybe, but, from what I have seen and heard, Paulie is at the ice cream shop. There's no way Tony's vision of heaven would involve Paulie and his endless talking.

[Extrasonic]

It wasn't duct tape, it looked like a jacket or a blanket or something. However, after frame-by-frame TiVo review, his head is definitely next to a tire - it looks like he's in the trunk of a car.

I've gotta retract this. Apparently the analog feed on my TiVo isn't nearly as good as going frame-by-frame on a hi-def digital feed. What I thought were tire treads, with better quality video, now looks more to me like a fabric pattern on a couch, and the lighting's not right for the trunk of a car. I guess he's just laying in a wierd position and it made me see something that wasn't there. Sorry.

This post has been edited by Extrasonic: May 22, 2007 @ 4:09 pm.

[TeresaDee]

It would be very disappointing if Meadow died.

Here is a link to Jamie-Lynn Sigler's interview on Kimmell. In telling a story about shooting the last season, she indicates that she was acting in a scene for the last episode. When questioned about her unintentional spoiler, she says that she didn't see her character as high on the list of those who may not make it (anyway).

Of course, she could be intentionally misleading us, or the scene could have been a flashback or dream...

[markjay1]

There was an article this weekend with Robert Iler, and I can't remember if it was in Parade or if I saw it online, but Robert said that everyone was happy with how the show ended. That being said, I cannot imagine any of the characters being happy with Carmela being murdered and Tony killing AJ and himself!

Robert Iler, the actor, was saying that the other actors, not the characters the actors play, were happy with the ending.

[cww]

Robert Iler, the actor, was saying that the other actors, not the characters the actors play, were happy with the ending.

Sorry, I thought that was implied in my statement. I didn't realize I had to spell it out!

[msrobins]

Based on Jamie-Lynn Sigler's interview, she makes it to the last show. Her last act was walking out the door. That is assuming they shot in sequence. Edie, Jim, and Robert were there to see it. Hmmmm

[Alias246]

Couldn't the "mistaken identity" spoiler and the ice cream shop spoiler both be true. They could "shoot" at Meadow, believing it's Tony, and not kill her. Either way, Phil will be a dead man walking.

[casey65]

How will she get around? She'll borrow her father's car, that's how. The mistaken identity spoiler works.

R.I.P. Meadow Soprano

TV guide description for the next ep says: a case of mistaken identity has dire consequences.

I never thought Chase would kill off Meadow, such an over the top Godfather homage, but that description sure makes the spoiler ring true.

[mstvholic]

The mistaken identity could also be referring to the scene filmed at a gas station where someone shoots at a man who looks like Phil.

ETA -- Plus, I am no expert regarding mob hits, but usually don't they do it pretty close up? I don't see how they could mistake Meadow for Tony if that were the case. But hey, anything is possible.

I am with those who think that if Meadow does get shot/killed, that it would be kind of lame. Too Godfather III, which was my least favorite of the trilogy.

This post has been edited by mstvholic: May 22, 2007 @ 9:40 pm.

[JDPeck]

Guys, as someone who was at the Raceway gas station filming days, it is DEFINITELY Frank Vincent being shot. Even the actress who plays his wife was present in the scene. While I do think that Phil's goomar's father may accidentally get shot, it didn't happen at the gas station. Benny kills Phil at the gas station. Not someone who looks like Phil.

This post has been edited by JDPeck: May 22, 2007 @ 9:58 pm.

[JoeyTango]

Plus, I am no expert regarding mob hits, but usually don't they do it pretty close up? I don't see how they could mistake Meadow for Tony if that were the case.

Exactly. When the rules were reestablished after the Castellammarese War, it was established that

1. it was disallowed to kill a Boss without approval of the other Families. This was largely to protect Luciano since they had already killed Maranzano and Masseria, bosses both. Junior told Richie if he killed Tony in season 2 that he needed allies to kill Tony. Johnny told Ralphie not to kill Tony because "[suicide] is a lot easier", and when Johnny wanted to kill Carmine in season 4, he tells Tony that there were differences between that situation and that of Paul Castellano. Also, he says his brother in law Andy has some influence with the other families. Phil has, up through Kaisha, refused to kill a boss because it was wrong. So yeah, this show adheres to some of the rules of real life Mafioso. Phil can still kill Tony any time he wants to since he knows that all he has to do is show the other families that his hardheadedness and weakness is hurting the money brought in, and it wouldn't be much of an issue to garner support to off him. So, let's say that Tony is marked a dead man and they send someone to kill him. Just for the sake of this Godfather III esque spoiler.

They'd want someone reliable, right? This isn't something to farm out because Tony's survived hits before and they know he might be formidable if anything was left to chance. So they send a crew of made men to go kill Tony who is sure to be in his car and Meadow is inside it. This brings us to another bit of regulation..

2. Under no circumstances can civilians be killed by anyone in La Cosa Nostra. If they are killed, the body has to be made to disappear. This is more or less regarded as one of Castellano's strict policies that became commonplace. After all, gangland executions bring heat. So they're a lot more likely to run in, shoot you, and pop out after making it look like a home invasion...or just kill you in a safe place and use the Gemini Method to chop the body into pieces and hide them across a large landscape.

3. If civilians are killed, under no circumstances can one be related to a made man by blood or marriage. Meadow can't be harmed under any circumstance according to the rules.

So we're supposed to believe that Phil hires some guys to kill Tony that run over to Tony's car and unload into it without looking to see who's in it? That I can see. I really do understand that. If they got guys like the ones who were meant to kill Carmine that weren't anywhere near Organized Crime, it could happen.

Except that Butchie and most of the New York guys hate Tony and want to kill him all day long. Someone would be likely to ask for the chance to kill him. You'd think that high level guys wouldn't be sent in for kills, but Phil would want someone reliable. Look at Godfather II. Michael sent in a captain to kill Hyman Roth because he know this was the guy who could get the job done. Same thing here.

So no, I really hope that isn't how Meadow leaves the show. It reeks of plotholes.

This post has been edited by JoeyTango: May 22, 2007 @ 10:15 pm.

[af32x6]

Long-time lurker, finally decided to post. Because let’s face it, there’s obviously been A LOT of B.S. floating around like AJ getting kidnapped by NY and Tony killing himself, Tony getting killed at an ice cream parlor, etc. But I GUARANTEE you, two Sundays from now, you’re gonna see that the following is absolutely, 100% DEAD ON!

I have been very good friends with a Sopranos editor for many years, since we went to school together. He has tipped me off on events in the show before (I knew about Tony and Carmella splitting in season four and about Adrianna’s offing ahead of time, for example), and he now he has also told me about the second to last episode!!! Keep in mind this is all taken straight from the FINAL CUT of “The Blue Comet”! Do not keep reading if you do not want the second-to-final episode of THE SOPRANOS to be spoiled for you!!!

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In “Blue Comet”, written by Matthew Weiner and David Chase and directed by Alan Taylor, will play out like this:

Silvio finds out from a cop-contact of his that Paulie has flipped, and that it happened off-screen, shortly before season 6b started. He tells Tony about it at the Bing, followed by a long conversation about how they are going to handle the situation. This is what is meant by “He’s playing both sides of the fence” from the previews. Tony reveals to Silvio that he was considering killing Paulie on the boat in “Remember When”, and regrets not doing it when he had the chance. Silvio gives Tony a weird look because he’s not sure why Tony would have wanted to kill Paulie, since he hadn’t known he flipped, he wouldn’t have had any other good reason. This leads to an argument, in which Silvio begins questioning Tony’s leadership and the amount that he cares about looking out for his crew. Tony explodes, and ends up hitting Silvio. Silvio turns back around and hits Tony, and as Tony falls backwards, Silvio realizes what he’s done and runs out of the Bing.

Phil decides to retaliate for the fight Tony had with Coco. He says that his decision is to take out Tony’s crew one by one.

Bobby does in fact get killed in front of the model train store just as many other spoilers have reported. This is where the episode title comes from. However, his son is not with him.

AJ escapes from the mental facility by jumping out of a window into a dumpster. However, he lands awkwardly and sprains his ankle. He starts calling for help, and nurses from the facility come out and have to help him back in to the building.

There’s a scene with the Feds in which they are talking about LCN and one is talking about Paulie Walnuts coming in handy in their case against Tony. The other agent corrects him, say that it is actually Carlo that they flipped recently. The other cop is stunned, but he never gets a chance to get back to Silvio with the truth ….

Tony gets a call from Silvio on his cell, who is calling to ask for forgiveness. Tony had a Melfi scene in which he realized Silvio might have been right in his opinion of Tony, and is no longer really mad at Sil. Tony tells him to meet him at the Bing to talk, and that they can’t let their feud distract them from taking care of Paulie, who will be a big problem. Tony is late getting to the Bing because Carmella calls him to say that there’s something wrong with AJ, and so Tony has to meet her at the hospital first.

Silvio gets to the Bing and is confronted by two hit-men that were hired by Phil. Having never seen the killers before, he is shot dead believing that he was actually set up by Tony. Patsy comes out as the murder takes place, and is caught off guard. The hit-men think they must now kill Patsy too, but he manages to narrowly escape on foot.

I’m told the scene at the hospital is very emotional, as AJ begs to come home and Carmella tells him that she can’t take all his nonsense anymore, and that she can’t emotionally handle it.

Tony stops by the Bing and when he learns what happened he quickly leaves, afraid he will be in danger too. At home, he gets a call from Janice that Bobby was shot dead. He tells Carm, who breaks down and cries again – Between AJ and Bobby, we see her really begin to lose it in this episode.

The episode closes at Silvio’s wake. Patsy is there and has told Tony what happened. They are also talking about Bobby. The rest of his crew is there at the service to, trying to get Tony to start a war with Phil and retaliate. Tony just stands there in silence. At the end of the episode, he sees some flowers that were sent with a card on it from the FBI. Tony looks thoughtfully at the card as the scene fades out, and we’re left to wonder if that’s the only place left for Tony to turn.


That's what I do know. I meant to ask him about the supposed scene with Phil's housekeeper's father, but I didn't get around to it. He didn't mention it, so I'm assuming it was minor, and that the "mistaken identity" line in the episode description has to do with the Paulie/Carlo rat situation, and that the serious ramifications are to come in "Made in America". I also know that based on photos I've seen, Paulie seems to make it to the last episode, so we shall see.

I don’t really know any specific details about the final episode, as my friend was very hesitant with details. He did tell me that the last scene DOES NOT take place in the ice cream parlor, and that all of the characters supposedly in that scene MAY not make it to the end of the episode!!! The ice cream parlor scene was just one of several alternate endings David Chase considered but ultimately decided against. Who’s going to go? Carmella, Meadow, or Paulie? Or TONY himself??? Your guess is as good as mine!!!

Can’t wait too see how it all ends!!

This post has been edited by af32x6: May 23, 2007 @ 12:18 pm.

[Rhoswen]

JDPeck,

Is this the scene you saw being filmed at the Raceway with Frank Vincent? Raceway gas station photo 1

Because of the casting notice for Yaryna's father (who resembles Phil), I have been assuming that this was him, not Phil, at the Raceway. It's difficult (at least for me) to tell whether or not it's Frank Vincent or a look-alike in this photo, so I'm curious whether you as an eye witness to the filming saw Frank Vincent himself slumped on the ground during filming of this scene, whether Frank was dressed like the man in the photo, etc., or whether you observed something different being filmed.

If it really is Frank Vincent who gets shot at the gas station by Benny, then maybe there's a different hit attempt on Phil earlier in the episode in which Yaryna's father is mistaken for Phil. Maybe the scene at the Raceway is Benny getting the job done after a previously botched attempt? Ouch - my brain hurts from thinking about this WAY too much :)

There was filming at this gas station on at least 2 different dates: March 13 and April 9 (give or take a day, depending on when the newspaper articles about the shoots were printed); did you happen to be at both shoots? The photo above is from the April date. There is a photo from the March date that shows a woman with black hair and dark clothing who is running screaming from a black SUV. Did you see anything like this being filmed while you were there? Raceway gas station photo 2

If you can help clear up any of my confusion, it would be much appreciated - Thanks.

Edited because there's no such thing as a "gase" station, and also to say that if the poster above is describing what actually happens in "Blue Comet" then the gas station hit happens in the finale (assuming it makes it into the final cut of the episode), and may have nothing to do with Yaryna's father. <--Which still leaves me wondering why in the world the casting notice for Yaryna's father in "Blue Comet" would specify that he'd need to resemble Phil.

This post has been edited by Rhoswen: May 22, 2007 @ 11:38 pm.