Angel http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:32:56 -0500 10 <![CDATA["Angel" in the Media]]> http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=488262 Hee! I love DB. Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:24:09 -0500 http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=488262 Cast Appearances in Other Roles http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=522530
I've also been lucky enough to have been able to hang out on set while they were filming.]]> Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:56:10 -0500 http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=522530 <![CDATA[Season 5: Law & Luchadores]]> http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=2959609
There are other things that pisses me off about S5; Wes' mooning over Fred, no Cordy, Gunn being this super-duper lawyer type that barely gets his violence on, how they aren't approaching the subject of why they are still working at W&H, staying in the W&H building way too much, how most things happen in the daytime and Angel is basking in the sun way too much, and Eve. I just want them to get on with the goddamn story instead of focusing on these MoTW. I'm not saying make it super arc-heavy like last season, but they can have little arcs here and there a la S2.

I watch my S2 dvd's over and over again, I stay up late on Tuesday nights to catch the S4 reruns (and I wake up at 5 am every morning), I make sure I'm home at 2 on Saturday afternoon to catch the S3 reruns.....but I don't and won't watch the S5 reruns while they are on hiatus on Wensday's. That's how much this season has dissappointed me. And yes I am obbessed with Angel, thanks for asking.]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:19:02 -0500 http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=2959609 <![CDATA[5-22: "Not Fade Away" 2004.05.19]]> http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3116780
I'll miss it. Tonight's episode was funny, and dramatic, and...I will miss this show, guys.]]> Wed, 19 May 2004 22:00:58 -0400 http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3116780 <![CDATA[Season 4: Rejects & Rejection ]]> http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=2343632
Yeah, that fight scene in "Offspring" with Angel getting his ass kicked by Darla and her 18 months-pregnant belly was pretty surreal, wasn't it?


When the writers made that statement,I don't think they were talking in terms of Angel fighting a pregnant character. I think they were referring to the fact that Charisma Carpenter was actually,ya know..Pregnant. Julie Benz not so much.]]> Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:55:05 -0500 http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=2343632 <![CDATA[Cast & Crew in Real Life]]> http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=2667406 Slayer Cruise website is up and running and that they've announced a few guests.

So far, the Buffy celebs that have signed on are: Iyari Limon, James Leary, George Hertzberg, Julie Benz, and Andy Hallett.]]> Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:33:01 -0500 http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=2667406 Season 3: After Pylea http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=469851 Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:51:46 -0500 http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=469851 <![CDATA[Season 1: Demon Nazis & Floating Eyeballs]]> http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=2336065 Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:05:10 -0500 http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=2336065 <![CDATA[Season 2: Angst, Anger, & Karaoke]]> http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=2600383 Naxus, what do you think the brown leather jacket could mean? Maybe it's the closest to beige they could get him in?

Watched Happy Anniversary and The Thin Dead Line. Wherein Lorne enlists Angel to save the world from a physics grad student unlucky at love and Anne enlists Gunn to save street kids from dead cops.

HA carried the standard Angel mythic theme of the Evil Messiah (The Master couldn’t have more consciously aped messianic language if he’d been quoting). With a twist; here we have the clueless messiah. The demons that are helping Grad Student Gene to his destiny of freezing time let us know that “from nothingness the human pestulance came. Into nothingness it goes” as he fixes the magic spell/equation.

Only change to the math I understood was the change of 9 to the 11th to 9 to the 17th. 9 is the end of the cycle; 11 is sacred order, but 17 . . . 17 is hope and warning. The Star. The omen of birth and death of gods.

Gene proves his concept by suspending four drops of mercury in the field. Four is balance, completion, stable structure. Mercury is messenger of the gods and the soul's guide to and from the land of death.

The demons bean Angel with a Hunga Munga, an African throwing knife that looks like a scythe. Buffy fought demons with a hunga munga when she dove into a hell dimension after Anne. The Scythe is the weapon of Chronus; he used it to castrate his father. It is the weapon of Death and Time, making it utterly appropriate to this context. It also ties this episode to Buffy’s dark time after killing Angel; she fled to LA numb and could only return after she went to hell and back. And it harkens to Buffy’s ultimate triumph using another long handled scythe, but that’s for another thread.

Poor Angel; he knows he is frozen in darkness. He doesn’t deny it when Lorne, playing Guide, puts it to him that he wouldn’t care if the world ended. Darla had a shot at redemption, and W&H took it from her. Now he has to hunt her down and kill her, and he will do it, but he’s taking no joy in it. He is a legendary dark warrior who does not believe he can ever be redeemed from a 100 years of brutal evil. He’s frozen in horror at his own acts; he’s frozen in horror at Darla’s death and resurrection; he’s frozen, the way Gene wants to be.

And Lorne pushes both of them out of the dead spot, like Mercury moving -- not everything is going to be this way. The song changes. Though we keep coming back to this theme; can Angel be redeemed? Or is the best thing to do -- do good because there is nothing else right to do?

In the end, Angel destroys the time freezing machine with the hunga munga; using the weapon of time, death, and Buffy to save the world. We need all three; he needs all three, and maybe holding it in his hand gave him some spark of hope.

As for TTDL . . . great episode on a sociological/plot advancing/story telling level. Not so much on the mythic, and I’m on a mythic kick these days. Maybe if I knew more about zombies. The police, the forces of order, imposing order. Bad order. But it kept the rapes and the murders down at the price of some outcasts. Like it so often happens, if they’d stuck to killing street kids, maybe no one would have noticed, but they hassled someone with powerful friends.

Nice bit of meta, having Angel, a dead body animated by a committee, take down the zombies, dead bodies animated by a zombie master/police captain. It was fun seeing Wesley take on a leadership role even if it was self mocking. And it was fun seeing ordinary courage; the paramedics; the kids in the shelter, Wesley -- all stood up when it mattered.

Wonder what Anne would think about W&H these days. She was a good character. Nice how well she morphed, represented by the name changes. From a mushroom (that feeds on the dead) to a flower (that adorns the dead) to the mother of the mother of god. Quite a character arc.]]> Thu, 01 Jan 2004 18:08:21 -0500 http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=2600383 The Angel Episode Survival Game http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3130427
Sound good? Let's go!

Season 1

City Of - 15
Lonely Hearts - 15
In the Dark - 15
I Fall to Pieces - 15
Rm w/a Vu - 15
Sense & Sensitivity - 15
The Bachelor Party - 15
I Will Remember You - 15
Hero - 15
Parting Gifts - 15
Somnambulist - 15
Expecting - 15
She - 15
I've Got You Under My Skin - 15
The Prodigal - 15
The Ring - 15
Eternity - 15
Five by Five - 15
Sanctuary - 15
War Zone - 15
Blind Date - 15
To Shanshu in L.A. - 15]]> Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:42:24 -0400 http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3130427