Based on a suggestion from wykbbb. Please make sure your questions aren't covered in the show FAQ, but I won't hold it against you if you don't catch everything covered in the recaps. There is a lot of backstory, after all.
Can someone just run through a basic list of the suspects for Lilly's murder and their motives? Maybe even the original suspects, and who has been ruled out since the pilot?
I'm trying to pick this up from recaps but I feel like I'm missing alibis and motives. I've only seen "The Wrath of Con" and read the recaps for the three most recent episodes and the pilot.
Also, is it possible that the same person who killed Lilly raped Veronica and stabbed Haaron? Could it be someone systematically taking down the powerful in Neptune, or are the suspect lists pretty different?
I'm not new but I've got a dumb question. slaverat knows what OTH means. I don't. I checked the TWoP Lexicon and everything.
It's ok Feisty, I might be mad if it was in the general lexicon, it's just our competition: ONE TREE HILL.
OTH is "One Tree Hill". Although MANY shows are up against Veronica Mars in it's current timeslot, there's some belief that the audience from OTH is vulnerable. V.M. has potential teen appeal, even as it's also got adult appeal for other reasons. OTH is a show which has fallen markedly in quality (although you might not know so from the overall ratings), so there may also be a feeling that V.M. can skim off the most demanding or discriminating OTH viewers, if not the mass of Johnny-come latelies who are watching it now because it's suddenly popular. There have also been ads for V.M. which took advantage of a mini-hiatus of OTH (featuring, if I recall correctly a burning tree), where only repeats were being shown but there were new V.M. episodes.
Okay, now, I wasn't being dumb. I have repressed all knowledge of that crap show.
I loved how UPN had these promos on that said OTH was "off the air" so people should watch VM. Like OTH was cancelled rather than just in between episodes. I mean, it's a loathesome show, but it made me laugh that they would stoop to misleading advertising. ;)
Douggley - If you check the poll regarding who killed Lily, you'll find a list of suspects, people's votes as to whom they think did it, and rationale within the thread iteself.
But, really no one has been ruled out. Except Lily herself. Since she obviously didn't hit herself in the head. Though she could have fallen and hit her head by accident during an altercation or argument with someone....which would totally give the writers an "easy out" for the "killer" - we could still like the person, and possibly forgive them.
You might find more info in the Speculation Without Spoilers thread as well.
I have only seen 7 episodes of the show but it is so good it has become my favorite and I am desperately catching all the repeats. One of the first episodes I saw was Silence of the Lamb and I thought it was an interesting choice when they had Veronica say after crashing the 09er party something like, "last time I crashed an 09er party I woke up without my underwear." It made me wonder if Veronica was actually raped or not. After seeing the Pilot I'm still not sure. Does she merely suspect that it was likely she was raped or do we know for sure?
We don't know for sure. There's a strong feeling though that she's too smart to be so easily fooled, especially where her own body is concerned.
This has been discussed in the speculation thread in a lot more detail, in several waves. Although the fact that this question gets asked in the forums at least once every few weeks, is proof of a sort that there's a "vibe" that this might be possible, even if it doesn't completely gel with what we know about Veronica's powers of observation.
What exactly is the 09er code that I've heard mentioned before? I think most recently regarding the invitations passed out in Silence of the Lamb?
Heh. Three answers to the same question... we are efficient. =)
The 09er code is described http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/story.cgi?show=139&story=6920&limit=&sort=. First paragraph of the actual action.
Never mind, CB beat me to it.
Couple'a questions, for fic-writing purposes:
Do we know how old Weevil is, and/or the status of his parents? (i.e., dead, alive, unknown.) I recall that he lives with his grandmother but I can't remember if they explained why.
ETA: Ok, managed to navigate the UPN site sufficiently to discover that Weevil is 'almost eighteen, a watershed year for the criminally-inclined'. Heh. That's one down.
We don't know anything about his parents. In Credit where Credit's due, which occured in September, he was still 17.
Ok, thanks much.
This may be just one of the many dumb things Office Fuckface says, but I was confused as to why he told Veronica and later Wallace to "go ask the wizard" (or something similar).
Did Veronica ever explain the wizard reference?
I'm not sure, but I'm thinking it was a bad attempt by Fuckface to chide them about Keith. "The Wizard" would tend to suggest he was talking sarcastically about someone who has "all the answers", or at least someone who can be posed as thinking that they do. That's kind of Fuckface's relationship to Keith--jealousy over Keith's knowledge and expertise, followed by mockery when he seemed to fail.
Really, Benito? I wouldn't have credited Fuckface with that much of a thought process. I just figured he was making Wizard of Oz references, and not particularly clever ones that.
Yeah, I had marked them down as lame jokes Officer Fuckface thought were clever. It's a neat interpretation, Benito, except why would Fuckface refer to Keith with Wallace?
Well, Weevil makes a Wiz ref in the pilot too, 'I'll come after you, your friend, and your little dog too,' something like that. Not quite sure what was up with that, unless it was some commentary on how V isn't in Kansas anymore, like she's fallen from grace and lost her old innocent life. Or something like that.
I also thought Officer Fuckface was trying to make a "clever" Wizard of Oz reference. In the movie the gang goes to see the wizard to ask him for things that they lack, including how to get home, a brain, a heart, and courage. Officer Fuckface fuckfacingly telling Veronica and Wallace to go see the wizard was just his fuckingface way of taunting them for their lack of a backbone and guts.
Did I conjugate the word "fuckface" correctly or should it be capitalized?
I haven't seen all the episodes, and those that I have seen have been out of order (which means, of course, that I've read the recaps out of order as well). The first ep I saw was You Think You Know Someone. And my question is, who the heck is that guy who was buying the drugs and had to sell the baseball on ebay? Is he a reoccuring character? Whose friend is he? What's his deal? I haven't seen him since, and I found him pretty funny. I really liked his chemistry with KB, and that scene where he's staring at the ebay page and Veronica yells, "It's a ball!" and he's like, "Yeah. . . "? HAHA. I found that HILARIOUS; it was what kinda won me over to the show.
Sam Huntington played Luke, and he was just a one episode guest star. Luke was just some random friend of Logan. Sam has been cast as Jimmy Olsen in the new Superman movie.
I also loved that "It's a ball!" line. Hee.
I have seen all but 2 episodes of VM, read the recaps, & the boards.
One thing I can't figure out....
How did Veronica's Slut Reputation originate?
It could be because someone who knew about her being raped mentioned something about it - or it could just be because it's the easiest insult to make about a teenage girl.
This is not really a question about the show, but what does meta mean? Everyone is talking about it everywhere, and I don't get it! Thanks for any help for my ignorance. :)
From what I gather, meta is a word for self-referential, and done in a tongue-in-cheek manner. For example, in VM, when she says of Yolanda, "We used to be friends, a long time ago," and right after that the opening credits kick in with the theme song that starts off "A long time ago/We used to be friends" - well, it's easy to believe the line wasn't accidental.
"Meta" literally means "information about". It's been used for years in technological circles, especially database programming. In database terms "metadata" is the data which in turn defines the structure of the database. A library card catalogue is the classic low-tech example of metadata.
The use of "meta" in things like this forum to describe self-referential material in TV shows is a bit of a riff on that. In a strictly sense, it's not correct, since "information about" a show would be something like a plot outline, a show bible, or a character list, but it's close enough.
I didn't record "Credit Where Credit's Due" and have missed two other episodes. Have we the viewers (or has Veronica) seen the photo of Lilly's car that led to the traffic ticket? If so, does it show the driver's face? VM seemed to jump to the conclusion that it changed Lilly's time of death rather than the more likely possibility that someone else was driving Lilly's car. (Forgetful Duncan, maybe?)
Since apparently I'm more obsessed than WynterWolf,
(close-up shot of the ticket with Lilly's photo) VMVO: One of those automated intersection camera caught Lilly running a red light at 6:02 pm. Almost two hours after her supposed time of death. I don't know if it's the photo of Lilly singing and smiling on the final day of her life that's been haunting me.
OMG, I just found another nitpick. The car photo in the ticket (I think it's a Jeep) doesn't look anything like the SUV Lilly and Duncan drive.
Hee! Well, I had the time right but the quote wrong... and I never noticed the car being different, but you're right... it totally was!
Thanks, WynterWolf and wykbbb. A follow-up, if I may: Is this at the end of CWCD or in another ep?
(And congratulations on finding that nitpick.)
Halycon, meta comes from http://www.bartleby.com/61/43/M0244300.html, and does indeed mean self-referential.
Thanks for the meta info. I thought it was something like that but not 100% sure!!
Okay, not a newbie, but I do have a question:
What is that yellow car Logan drives?
It's a nissan xterra with the scuba package.
Man, I hate being a newbie.
Question: I missed "Clash Of The Tritons" and I can't download it... I read the recaps, but I'm still curious about what EXACTLY Weevel had told BSK!.
Could anyone tell me?
Here's a transcript of http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3118680&view=findpost&p=2386432, my very long windy http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3121856&view=findpost&p=2397996 of that scene, and a transcript of http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3121856&view=findpost&p=2409062 If you need the transcript of Veronica's and Duncan's session, email me.
Spacecow you have to watch Clash of the Tritons. It's the only episode so far that has received an A+ from both CB and the fans.
wykbbb, this is great! thank you SO much!
I've seen Logan's session in a video from some site, but I had NO idea about Weevil's session! now that's really intersting...
I've actually seen Veronica's session in a video too, but I would really appreciate it if you could send me Duncan's session.
And about "Clash of the Tritons"- yeah, I figured it's an awesome episode, but I'm totally stuck. I'm from Israel and we're only in episode 6 in here, so I usually download the new episodes. Problem is the only source for "Clash of the Tritons" is a bad one, so I have no way of seeing it untill it will be broadcasted in my country... in about 6 weeks... :\
Hey, everyone. I'm usually not a poster in this forum since I missed a lot in the beginning and have been out of the loop since (although I did catch the pilot). I was wondering what all you guys could tell me about Abel Koontz. I know that he's currently in prison because he admitted to killing Lilly Kane and that he's on his deathbed so he had reason to admit guilt. What else is there to this character that I should know?
He's pretty loony - when Veronica first visited him at the end of "Like a Virgin," he knew who she was and who her parents were. And then told her that Keith wasn't her father, Jake Kane was.
We know that he's dying (from what, we don't know) and there's evidence that he didn't kill Lilly - the shoes found in his boat were still in Lilly's room after the murder. Clarence Weidman, who took pictures of Veronica, was the one to call the hotline and turn in Koontz.
But that's basically all we know.
utopia pkwy welcome. You might also want to look at http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3121152&st=0 thread. It's kinda of long and boring but I tried to include everything we've learned so far about the ongoing mysteries.
Thank you both for your help!
Now, any chance it's been discussed as to why Duncan dumped Veronica right before the death of his sis?
Ok, hi. I'm not exactly a newbie, but I'm not around the boards a lot, and thought this would be the least offensive place to post a question in case it doesn't belong. If it doesn't, my apologies in advance, ok? I wasn't sure about how to go looking for the correct thread, but Couch Baron said something about some forum posters gathering support for VM and possibly needing help. If so, I'd like to help, but, as is obvious, I don't know where to go.
Sorry. That was way too long for a simple explanation. I'd like to help if I can. Love the show.
That party is currently taking place in the "Mars Needs Women, and Men" thread.
Too slow.
I'm not a newbie, so I feel dumb asking this, but what does PCH in Weevil's bike gang stand for? I don't remember it from an episode but maybe I missed it. Or it could just be common knowledge and I just don't know. Someone please answer.
PCH- Pacific Coast Highway
We finally got a local UPN affiliate at the beginning of the year, so I've seen the 4 episodes (including the pilot) they reran then and the sweeps eps but have a big hole in the middle. I haven't seen it yet in the recaps I've read, but do we know what the big secret was that Lilly mentioned at the car wash?
BTW, I've been writing "Veronica Mars is smarter than me" and www.saveVeronicaMars.com on every dollar bill I get.
No, we don't know her secret. In Clash of the Tritons, Veronica speculated that her secret was Lilly's relationship w/ Weevil. Personally, I think it's some really good dish on some high-profile people, but only based on Lilly's tone and casualness(?). I'm sure we'll find out eventually.
Oops. Too slow.
The prevailing theory on Lilly, and secrets, is that she probably collected them.
No we do not know Lilly's big secret.
ETA: Beaten.
Also, thanks to wykbbb for answering my questions.
*smacks my head*
Sorry for being so stupid. Thanks for the help.
"The Eyes Of Laura Mars" (1978) Faye Dunaway. Similar concept, pretty good flick.
More than coincidence?
From IMDb:
I am not a newbie, I've watched my fair share of episodes, but I did miss something when I got hooked on an episode of House - I tape Scrubs, and watch VM and House or attempt to watch both at the same time. I watched all of the Alison Hannigan episode (I watched BtVS in reruns and consider myself a fan of that show, and then I saw AH in the London production of WHMS... and she annoyed the crap out of me), anyway, back to my question, I was totally shocked when the cop guy (?) went to Veronica's car and then had his moment with her? I have no idea who this guy is?
That Cop Guy is Deputy Leo (don´t remember his last name). We meet him in "Silence of the Lamb" and he and Veronica seemed to find each other cute. He has been in two subsequent episodes since ("Mars vs. Mars" and "Russkie Business").
Hey, Gracelessly! I know you from the GG forums.
The cop guy is Leo. He's the deputy sheriff who helped with the serial killer case in "Silence of the Lamb." Veronica got him suspended because she stole the CD containing the anonymous tip--that she then identified as Clarence Weidman!--from the evidence room. As you can tell, she's a tad sweet on him. Other important info: he's in a band.
"A cop that rocks? What will they think of next?"
And if you're addicted to the pause button, you know that Leo's last name is D'Amato and that he has one mole on the right side of his neck, and one mole on the back of his neck.
And if you're addicted to google, you can find out that D'Amato is Italian for "loved by God," which is kinda convenient since his love interest just happens to be surnamed Mars, the Roman god of war. This show is just full of random, unrelated coincidences.
I read through the whole thread and didn't see these questions answered (as well as the FAQ). I've only watched all of the eps in their completion once (I'm trying to get them all for my very own to watch over and over again!, but alas no luck yet).
How old is Veronica and how old is Logan? And when is Veronica's birthday? Do we know?
Thank you.
arabian, a lot of that stuff is explained/postulated in the http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3121152&st=0.
Veronica is 17 and her birthday is probably in September, since she had her sweet 16 before Lilly died. I don't think we know how old Logan is, but they're both juniors.
Okay I've been watching this show from the beginning, and I have watched all of the episodes at least twice, but somehow I managed to miss finding out who the hell Dick Casablancas is. I did some digging and figured out that he's the blonde, longish-haired 09er who's been in lots of scenes, but I cannot for the life of me remember ever hearing anyone referring to him by his name. Can anyone help me out here and tell me when we learned that who Dick was?
A lot of people have had this question. It's amazing to go back and see that this guy's been in more epsiodes than Weevil. He's everywhere. In the recaps CB calls him Ugly Owen Wilson; he's called Dick a few times early on, but I don't think his full name is mentioned until http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/story.cgi?show=139&story=7185&page=8&sort=&limit=
Ah...Ugly Owen Wilson. How could I forget such a great nickname like that? Thanks for the info depudor, it was driving me bonkers trying to figure it out.
I'm not actually a newbie, I've been watching and lurking since the beginning. But something confused me this weekend and I'm not sure where else to post it. In the pilot, Keith brings Jake Kane in for questioning and has an argument with Lianne that he's positive Jake killed Lilly. Jake goes on television to say that he was wrongfully accused, and Keith is voted out of office. It's pretty clear to me that he was thrown out for as good as accusing Jake of killing his daughter. Koontz was caught after Keith is thrown out of office. Now Veronica has vowed to find Lilly's real killer and clear her dad's name. But doesn't that mean proving that Jake is the killer, not just proving that Koontz is not the killer? Her dad's name would still be mud if it was proven that Koontz didn't do it, because he wasn't in office at the time he was caught, and never made any public statements saying it wasn't Koontz. He only thought it was Jake. Yet Veronica doesn't seem to be focussing on Jake at all, just on proving it wasn't Koontz.
So has Veronica's goal changed from clearing her father's name to proving it wasn't Koontz, or has it just been fudged a bit?
I thought that Keith's words were something along the lines that Jake "had something to do with the murder." Not, "Jake killed Lilly." But since I don't have a tape of the pilot, I could be wrong. Does anyone have Keith's exact words?
From Credit Where Credit's Due:
I know wyk has the background conversation between Lianne and Keith but I think Kieth's contention was that Jake knew something and that he was "involved"... not necessarily that he specifically killed Lilly.
From the pilot:
Here's the rest of the arguement from the pilot.
Keith: He did it Lianne. The man is a liar. Nothing changes. Nothing adds up. Not his alibi. Not the sequence of events. Nothing.
Lianne: I don't care. It doesn't matter.
I were just wondering if anyone's got an idea on the age differences between Veronica, Logan, Donut and Lily.
I realize this question has probably been asked before, but I just checked out the Timeline thread and something doesn't make sense: both Lily and Veronica were supposely born in January 1987 to October 1987.
Huh? does this mean Lily and Duncan are twins?
I have no idea what the difference is between senior an junior and all of those (foreigner. not my fault!) so: are we even sure that Veronica, Donut and Logan are in the same class?
Spacecow This was discussed briefly in the spoiler thread, apparently
Lilly is a year older than Veronica, Donut and Logan. As far as we know, the other three are 17 and juniors in high school.
It hasn't been mentioned on the show yet.
I don't think Veronica ever said that her goal was to vindicate her father. If that were true, I'd think that would be a project she'd have been working on all along, rather than something she started with in the pilot. She thought it was Abel just like everybody else did until the day she discovered that her mother was in town and was visited by Jake Kane. Then Keith lied to her about it, and that stirred up a deep curiosity to find out what was going on:
"I've got too many questions swirling around in my head to wait until he's willing to share. These questions need answers. That's what I do." She finds out that Keith put the motel pictures in the Lilly Kane file, and so then she starts to think that if she investigates Lilly's murder, she'll figure out what the connection was between her mother and Jake. "Okay, it's a long shot, but I can't help myself. I used to think I knew what tore our family apart. Now I'm sure I don't. But I promise this: I will find out what really happened, and I will bring this family back together again. I'm sorry, is that mushy? Well, you know what they say. Veronica Mars, she's a marshmallow."
Excellent. Thank you. It made perfect sense if she was just trying to find Lilly's real killer that she wouldn't be focussing on Jake. I just wasn't sure if she'd said somewhere that she was also trying to restore Keith's reputation.
Thank you, carsonb.
While we're at it- can you tell me how the classes go? I mean, what's the proper order of the classes?
I know there's freshman, junior, sophmore and senior, I just don't know the right order.
Spacecow, the order is: freshman (9th grade), sophomore (10th grade), junior (11th grade), and finally senior (12th grade)
Oh. Thank you, Ji Xiang!
So after watching the rerun last week, "You Think You Know Somebody," I was wondering what was going on with Veronica's mom and the Kanes. I missed a good chunk of episodes in the beginning, so I was just curious as to why Mrs. Mars got upset when Veronica told her (in flashback) that she was dating Duncan. Is there some secret relationship that her mom has to the Kanes? I know that Veronica thinks that maybe the Kanes forced her mom out of Neptune, but I didn't know how this related. Thanks!
We don't know why Lianne freaked out when Veronica told her she was dating Duncan.
It might have to do with the fact that she and Jake used to be high school sweethearts.
According to Abel Lianne and Jake were still having an ongoing affair so maybe Lianne didn't want to risk Veronica finding out about the affair.
Abel also said Jake is Veronica's dad. I don't believe this because it seems unlikely that Lianne would let Veronica date her half-brother for over six months.
This is not a newbie question, but does anyone know the name of the actress who plays Shelly Pomeroy? She is not listed in TV Tome. According to IMDB Alison MacInnis played Shelly in Meet John Doe and Credit Where Credit's Due. Judging by her photo, Alison looks like the long hair Shelly that Duncan accidentally calls Veronica. I'm pretty sure that short hair, Shelly Pomeroy and Duncan's ex-girlfriend Shelly are supposed to be two different characters because 1) they look nothing alike and 2) Shelly Pomeroy has made a few appearances after the Shelly/Veronica incident.
Thanks, [b]wykbbb[/i]. And I have another: Who are Cindy Mackenzie and Madison Sinclair?
And what all do we know about Duncan's computer journal that he keeps?
Cindy Mackenzie and Madison Sinclair were switched at birth, as we found out in "Silence of the Lamb." Madison now lives with Mac's biological 09er family. Also, Mac was the girl who scammed the 09ers into buying their purity test results in "Like a Virgin."
When Weevil stole Duncan's computer in "An Echolls Family Christmas," Duncan informed Veronica that she might want to get it back for her own sake, as he had written some detailed information about her and their relationship in it. We haven't heard anything about it since, to my recollection.
This isn't so much a newbie question, as a question about newbies:
Which eps are the best to hook a friend? Imagine you only get one ep to get them watching....
Because I tried to hook a friend today...couldn't decide if it was best to show the earliest (for background) or the best eps (for hookage). What do you think? I ended up showing "Meet John Smith"....which failed. It was actually kinda boring. So I really want to show "An Echoll's Family Christmas" or "Tritons", but then the character's revelations (especially "Tritons") will not be as good...and may fail. So, looking from a jaded stranger's POV, which episode will definitely hook - and no, I don't have the pilot or the 2nd ep. Watch some again - they could be even boring (as 'meet john smith' was) to an indifferent person.
I'd say to try to get the pilot any way you can. I've tried recently with friends, one who had seen all the eps up to "Lord of the Bling", and a few newcomers. "Lord of the Bling" was definitely *not* a good first ep, as they thought it was horrible. "Mars vs. Mars" with another newcomer got a slightly warmer reaction (and was loved by friend who'd been watching all along), but even then, it was very much a "so what" from the newcomers. So I'd say start at the beginning and get them hooked.
I got my best friend to tune in for "Silence of the Lamb" and he said he didn't care for it. So I stopped being friends with him. Twelve years of friendship vs. my love for VM? No contest. This show owns me.
Is "Betty and Veronica" a good episode to start?
I told a few people to watch it.
Please, please, no spoilers!
I hooked my roommate with just showing her the Logan scenes in Return of the Kane. Really by just telling her that he was the character set up as a pyschotic jackass, and then showing from when Aaron and him pull into the gas station till the look on Lynn's face. Although this may have only hooked her because her parents are very prominent child rights (anti-spanking) lawyers, and the belt made her scream.
I'm going to be trying to get people to watch the show now that rerun hell is over. One place I'm going to send them is the TWOP newbie site, http://www.marsinvestigations.net because it has the best info on the background of the show. The sections on the timeline and the mysteries are just amazing. They answer all the questions. Good work, guys.
I think http://www.neptunesite.com is also good to get people intrigued with what's to come. The preview photos don't really give away too much, but they give you a sense of anticipation. Neptunesite is also good for all the interviews with the actors. I think that the public appearances (at Paley, and the one coming up in Boston) are good because people get attached to the show when they meet the actors.
I really think that if VM doesn't get a death slot next year, we can get more and more new viewers.
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It's not done yet.
Hello all, I have a couple questions. I joined the VM party late in the game and have only seen the epis that have aired after An Echolls Family Christmas and the few first episodes that have aired in repeat mode. So, I need a little clarification on a few nitpicky things that bug me.
Why does Veronica always wear the leather choker and gold necklace? Do they have significance (was one Lilly's?) or is it just a thing she does?
Also, in the spoiler thread, a poster mentioned that we know Logan thinks Veronica is hot. How do we know that? Did he say that or was it implied, etc.? It was also mentioned that Logan/Veronia have known each other since they were 12. Can someone explain that to me, too?
Does Logan know that Weevil/Lilly were together or is that still secret?
I tried to find the FAQ thread to see if the answers were there but I couldn't locate it.
Thanks so much! I appreciate it!
(I told you had a few questions. HAHA!)
To be a little more specific.
Y'all, we don't allow you to discuss illegal downloading here. Please edit your posts, or I will.
Thanks guys, I appreciate it!
Did Wallace's father die recently, i.e. just before his family moved to Neptune? Where did he live prior to this year, and why did his family move?
Newbie here, having only seen three episodes (Silence of the Lamb, Clash of the Tritons, Betty and Veronica) so far.
Has Veronica ever been called "Ronnie"? Specifically, by Logan? I've noticed this nickname on a few message boards and was just wondering if it had actually been used on the show.
Thanks!
He called her Ronnie in the Pilot. You may still be able to get the Pilot on AOL TV.
It's not there in the scene where here parents are fighting, nor is it there when she in the library and the video is found online. Also, it isn't to be found when she wakes up to find her mom had left.
Ok, I'm not really a VM newbie, but I am a newbie to TWOP, and I have 2 questions that aren't really episode-centric or speculationish, and I don't think I've seen them covered in the MANY threads that I've read. So forgive me in advance for any improper rebumping of this thread.
Q1:
I remember the episode where Veronica finds out about Lilly's speeding ticket and gets a copy of the citation from the clueless receptionist. I know Officer F.Face hears about this, or at least some portion of it, as VM is walking out of the office. I also know that last week that Veronica tells Leo about the ticket disproving the time of death.
My question is, has Keith Mars (or anyone else for that matter) ever found out about this somewhat important factoid, or has Veronica not yet shared the information with her daddy? Obviously info on the "actual time of death" may be important to someone who probably has the best sense of where all the suspects/Kanes were, or claimed to be during the critical moment. I would think it might advance the investigation or theories if it was shared with the other capable hands and paws in the Mars household.
Q2:
Lastly, we all know about the shaky alibis of the Kane parents from last week's episode. Have we ever heard details about Duncan's alibi? I thought I remember something way back about all of the Kanes having alibis, but am I making this up? I'm pretty sure that I didn't miss any specific details about Duncan's alibi, but has it ever been definitively established by the show that the Donut had an alibi and was ruled out as an initial suspect by Keith as a result?
And for the record, I don't think Duncan did it, but I'm curious to see what facts and investigation may lead to that. Thanks
Okay so I know Veronica drives a black Chrysler LeBaron but does anyone know what year it is? Is it a '93 or '94? Or something else? Thanks if anyone knows...
Hans Moleman, for the first question, when Veronica and Keith are looking at the closed files frome the Lilly Kane case (the files from the box in the closet) in last week's episode, she mentions the time of death being well after 4, so she must of mentioned it to him eariler. I quite don't remember which episode she did mention that fact though.
Duncan went to soccer practice that morning. This is the last thing he remembers. Three days later he is in the back of a limo.
You might try the http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3121152
It also reminded some people of that Casey kid being shoved into the back of a limo to be deprogrammed.
When did Jake and Celeste get married? Was it before he got rich or was she a trophy wife? Why hasn't she tried to divorce him and take all his money?
Celeste doesn’t fit the description of a trophy wife, defined as “a beautiful young wife who is a status symbol for her (usually rich, older) husband” (thanks, http://www.slangcity.com/email_archive/12_05_02.htm). The loss of status from “wife” to “ex-wife” is enormous, I imagine, and as “a woman of a certain age,” she has to be aware that divorce is probably not the best option, if she’s known about Jake’s infidelit(ies?) for as long as she’s indicated.
It probably won't ever be an important plot point, but I can't help wondering about this anyway.
Is Neptune north or south of San Diego?
Who's the guy that Veronica called to find out about the newspaper ad looking for Lianne in the latest episode? What's his story on the show?
I believe he was in "Mars vs. Mars" as well, helping Veronica disprove the trashy blonde woman's story about Lynn.
Cliff has been in 6 episodes: The Pilot, Credit Where Credit's Due, Like A Virgin, Clash of the Tritons, Mars vs. Mars and M.A.D
Silly question: who knows that Veronica was raped ? Thanks.
Hey innamorata! As far as I know, Veronica did not tell anyone other than Officer Fuckface and we have not seen any indication that anyone else actually knows.
Well, now that we know about the GHB, it is possible that the rapist(s?) was high/thought VM was just drunk and therefore willing. If he was on GHB too, it's possible he doesn't remember the night that clearly either. If there were multiple rapists, that likelihood goes down. Still, I think it's possible that others know, they just don't know what it is that they know. An example, in the trailer Maddison Sinclair and another 09blonde are gasping in titilated horror at something. I think that a lot of the rumors about VM spawn from that night, because people (already inclined to think the worse about her) mistook whatever they saw.
I know, that's all a bunch of speculation, but my point is, the only people we know were told about the rape are V, and Lamb. The only people we might guess could have an idea or a susspicion would be the rapist(s?) and Inga.
Hey back WynterWolf! Thank you all for answering. I was thinking her father was too unprotective with her considering. If that makes sense but anyway if he doesn't know it's normal I guess.
I'd ask who is Inga but nah.
Now the question is : if in next episode she finds out what happened, do the others too or do they just wonder why she questions them about an old party.
Don't answer that. *lalalala*
Thank you again.
Inga was the receptionist at the Sheriff's office (who knew Veronica from Keith's days in office, and told she had to "report a crime" to), although they haven't really used her since the pilot (and they changed the set). [/wonder kill]
ETA because we don't have "sherriff"s in Toronto, so I did not remember how to spend it.
Inga also appeared in "Credit Where Credit's Due".
What does B,SK! mean OR where can I go to find all the funky abbreviations for people?
B,SK!= Back, Show Killer!
Where can I find out why they taped Wallace to the flagpole?
nicepebbles, it's beautifully (hee) explained by the inimitable Couch Baron in the http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/story.cgi?show=139&story=6886&limit=all&sort= of the pilot episode.
Somewhat newbie here (you guys and Couch Baron lured me away from the Amazing Race, finally)...my question to the experts is about Logan and Veronica. I get why they want to keep their relationship a secret from everyone while they are still exploring how it goes, but why would Veronica be afraid of it hurting Duncan? From what I can tell, he's moved on with Meg and I didn't get the impression that Veronica wanted him anymore, maybe she was just hurt he had really moved on.
So why would Logan and Veronica dating hurt Duncan? (and sorry if this question has a glaringly obvious answer that is just totally flying over my head!)
Actually, emma675, your question makes perfect sense.
Duncan did dump Veronica without a warning (a very bitchy thing to do) and hooked up with Meg, but Logan is still Duncan's best friend and Veronica is his ex-girlfriend. I assume she just doesn't want to hurt Logan's and Duncan's friendship by starting a relationship with Logan without Duncan knowing about it. She probably thinks that he still has some feelings for her, which he probably does.
Anyway, I think Veronica is just being polite, since she and Logan don't really need Duncan's approval or anything like that.
What a great thread! Thanks. I'm a huge fan, but don't always get UPN so I've only seen an episode here and there.
Regarding the episode introduction available on the UPN site. In order to view, do I need to download and purchase Real Player? It used to be free but now it looks like I would have to purchase and then cancel within two weeks. Is this correct? Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything. If so, is there anywhere I can go for a summary? I really don't want to go through the hassle of purchasing.
Any info would be greatly appreciated!
Hello, emma675, I don't think that Logan and Veronica being together would be what would hurt Duncan, but rather Duncan finding out from someone else. They want to be the ones to tell him (since he is Veronica's ex, and Logan's best friend), and not have Duncan find out through the grapevine from another 09er.
Plus, Duncan could also be used as their excuse for not going public with the relationship. Both Logan and Veronica have a lot to lose because of this relationship, and could be scared. Duncan's just a good cover for that.
birgitte, Real player still has a free option.
Just go to real.com, and look for the "free download" options. They'll try to throw pretty stuff in your face to get you to buy their "pro" version, but they still have the basic, free player available.
Thanks for the help. Knew I was missing something! Unfortunately they still haven't updated for next week.
What prompted Keith to do the DNA test at this point? I can't figure out what put him over the edge. Surely he would have had suspicions before now.
I think it was Celeste's confrontation of Veronica which included her saying that she didn't like looking at V because she was a reminder of "my husband's infidelities." Keith heard her say that and realized that it implied that at least Celeste thought that V was/could be Jake's daughter.
Thanks, Peace Fire and Spacecow! I missed the first half of the season (although I read the recaps), so I'm still catching up and clueing into things.
I forget that as tough as Veronica is, she can still be a marshmallow when it comes to her friends. And I guess Duncan still counts as a friend.
I'm not really a newbie, but I can't remember if we've ever met Shelly Pomeroy before. I want to say that she's the girl Mac got switched with, but I'm not sure. Can someone confirm this for me?
She is not. Mac was switched with Madison Sinclair, AKA "Makeup Makeup Makeup".
We've seen Shelly Pomeroy in the background...we think.
Thanks for clearing that up for me!
Wasn't Shelly the girl Duncan was making out with when he called out Veronica's name?
Eee hee hee hee hee.
No, that was a different Shelly. Seriously.
I don't know if this question belongs in this thread please forgive me if it doesn't. I don't know where else to post it so I'll take a chance here. I am looking for the address where you can send snail mail to Rob Thomas. I know there is probably an address where you can send it c/o studio or production office but I can't find that address. Anyways if anyone can help I thank you.
Can someone tell me what 09er means? I have looked everywhere and I just cannot figure it out. At first I thought it was a graduation date, 2009. Anyway, please help me out!
Tracyface -- 09er refers to the zip code that the "in crowd" lives in. Much like 90210, except ending in '09.
Gracias Bella321, I take it Veronica is not one?
I think the zip code is supposed to be 90909 - thus, unerstand Mandy's comment of being an "02er", she's probably 90902-ish.
That's what I thought, too.
As for Veronica...we know she used to hang with the 09ers, but I don't know if her address reflects that. Did they use to live in that area, and after Lilly's death, they moved out of it? Or is she still an 09er in location but no longer in spirit? Or was she only ever an 09er in spirit?
In the pilot Veronica VOs that she was only allowed to pass the 'velvet ropes' to hang out with the 09ers because of her relationship with Duncan.
Veronica says in the pilot that she wasn't quite within the 09er zip code. I can't find the exact words - anybody want to search for the VMVO?
If you read the original script at Rob Thomas' website (which is an interesting and fun read) I believe it mentioned that Veronica and family used to live on the very edge of the 09 zip. So she was an 09er, just barely. (Warning, my memory could be faulty as graduate school is slowly melting my brain, Raiders of the Lost Ark-style). Anyway, after the whole bumbling sheriff fiasco, they moved. Since this didn't make it into the pilot, I guess this was changed, especially with velvet ropes quote mentioned above.
ETA Thanks muhahahaha! nice to know my brain is only partially fried . . . though I think the Veronica Mars part is the only part that still works . . .
From the original pilot script:
"VERONICA (V.O.) (CONT’D)
When my dad was sheriff, we had a house in the hills.It was near the bottom, but it was in the 94409 zip code. We were 09ers. We were accepted. If not accepted, tolerated."
They later changed the 94409 to 90909. So, yes Veronica was an 09er.
Y'all, I'd appreciate it if you'd at least read the show FAQ before you post questions in this thread. 09ers are defined therein. Thanks.
How can I find the VM show FAQ?
eta: Thanks, Polter-Cow.
Right up there at http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/faq.cgi?show=139, with the Recaps, Forum, and Staff links.
Im a new Twoper but a fan since the first episode aired..
Quick Question:
Why do ppl reference Aaron Echolls as Haaron?
Haaron is one of Couch Baron's inventions, a combination of Harry Hamlin (the actor's name) and Aaron.
Ohhhhh thanks so much tjl!
It's b/c Harry Hamlin plays Aaron (Haaron).
Okay so maybe im not old enough to understand some of the 80's references and puns, but can anyone maybe explain these jokes in VM:
Logan's "Let's Wing Chun everybody, lets Wing Chun" (sp?)
Right after Logan punched JTT to protect Veronica (hee) and says "Im not leaving her alone with you jumpstreet!"
When Logan tells Veronica "C'mon ill drive you on the backstreets"
sorry if these are stupid questions.. i just didn't know where else to post them!
First one: a relatively famous song http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000000OWF/102-5029078-0624965?v=glance. One of the lyrics is "Everybody Wang Chung tonight!" which makes no sense but is catchy. It also helps that one of the uber-mods and owners of TWoP has the handle Wing Chung.
Second one: it's an homage to one of the first big shows on Fox, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092312/ - which starred Johnny Depp in his breakout role. No kidding.
Have no clue about the drive you on the backstreets one.
Someone said it was Springsteen, but I'm not familiar with which song.
If that's true, it's probably http://www.brucespringsteen.net/songs/Backstreets.html.
Dunno. That doesn't seem like any 80s reference I'm aware of.
http://www.wingchun.com/ is a Southern Chinese Martial Art.
In the immortal words of Emily Litella, "Never mind"
I didn't think that the backstreets was an 80's reference. He says it right after they agree to keep their relationship secret so, they will take the back streets to avoid being seen together.
Ooooh, I am liking Kalbear's idea of the Backstreet reference (Springsteen!). The lyrics would certainly fit! And if so, aaaaaw.
I am confused about Weapons of Class Destruction. Who put the stuff in the student's trunk to get him in trouble and why? Did the agent buy it and plant it there? I just do not understand why he would do that.
The agent planted the fertilizer and the gun so that he could get the credit for another successful sting operation. JTT was this agent that 'always got his man'; it turns out that he got his man by framing them.
He did it so he could keep his string of successes and so that he could get the prestige.
Yes, the agent planted the bomb materials so that he could get credit for the arrest. I suppose in his mind he was sure the guy would try to blow up the school, so arresting him before he had the chance was best for everybody. It still makes him a dirty cop, no matter what his reasoning was.
First: Thanks so much for this thread. It's an awesome idea and very, very practical for people like me.
Now I've only watched one episode, read through the timeline thread and read as many recaps as I could manage, although I had to give up at one point because of a killer headache. One of the things I haven't been able to find out yet is: Who is Meg, and when/how did she first show up? If anyone could answer me that or point me to the right episode so I can scan the recap, I'd be really thankful.
Meg first showed up in the http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/story.cgi?show=139&story=7185&limit=&sort= episode. She's the "Blonde Girl" beginning on page 2 and might or might not be referred to as "Saint Blonde" in the recaps as well.
Just to add to that, we don't see Meg again until "Ruskie Business," so don't waste your time searching for her in the intervening episodes.
Help! I was out of the room when Logan drugged Duncan. Why did he do it? I missed that part.
Or he wanted to get back at him. Or whatever.
I'm going with the giant douchebag from hell, but yeah.
I apologize if this has been discussed upthread, but why do people keep theorizing that Logan and Weevil are half brothers? What evidence has been presented for this (intriguing) possibility?
There has been no evidence that Weevil and Logan are brothers. It's just another theory created by speculation-happy TWoPers.
There was, however, a theory that Lilly and Weevil were half-brother, half-sister, but that was pretty much thrown out after "Clash of the Tritons."
Just watched CWCD for the first time, and I was wondering if there are any theories about what Weevil says to Logan to get his douche bag friend off the ground and out of the hands of the 09er's.
Thanks. I really appreciate this thread!
My best guess is he told Logan, "Let us handle it.", meaning that Weevil's cousin will get his ass kicking by the Diesels instead of the 09ers. Weevil probably also mentioned that his cousin was the one to steal the credit card. As long as Weevil's cousin got his ass kicked, I don't think Logan cared.
Okay--what the heck is emosewa? I'm feeling old here at 28.
Try spelling it backwards.
I have watched every episode and I can't remember who Marisol Reyes is. Someone remind me.
From the ever so helpful MarsInvestigations.net Timeline
It's from a CB recap. He talks about how if Lilly was giving clues by speaking backwards (a la Twin Peaks), it would be emosewa.
I'm a dork and I have been lurking here for a month now but I've joined and I already have a question.
I've been on the UPN website and I can't find an address to send fan mail? not only to send letters to the cast but to the writers and RT. Any ideas?
TIA,
Cyn
Rob Thomas tells you where to send it on http://www.robthomasproductions.com/. It's:
Actor's Name
Veronica Mars
c/o Stu Segal Prod.
4705 Ruffin Road
San Diego, CA 92123
OMG I think I LOVE YOU!
Thank You
This site and the people here are awesome!
Cyn
I've been watching the show for a while but missed the first couple of episodes...and I just, just found out that "09" stands for a zip code and not the year of a college graduation. Because I thought Veronica was a senior for a while, 09 would have been the year her class graduated. But, she is not, and I am wrong.
Oh, the learning that goes on.
CynShine76, you might want to read the FAQ. Signing your posts isn't really allowed here.
Wait, if you thought Veronica was a Senior, wouldn't she graduated '06? Freshmen would graduate '09.
Wooops I actually did read the FAQ but I must have missed that one. Old habits die hard. It actually makes for a better site so I understand.
Hello. Although I am pretty obsessed with the show now I have missed a lot of episodes. I have been to a lot of web sites and have read most of the recaps but I have one pretty stupid question.
Veronica says that only reason she was really accepted amoung the 09ers was Duncan. So does that mean she and Lily weren't really friends until Veronica and Duncan began to date? I would imagine that being best friends with Lily Kane would get you through the velvet ropes but it really seemed like the were friends for longer. Sorry if its a stupid question.
BetsyB, I don't think it's ever specified which came first, but I think V says something like, she and Lilly were friends for 3 years. So I assumed she got together with Duncan because of hanging out at the Kanes, because of Lilly.
I was wondering if their is a DVD release date of the first season. I know Desperate Housewives is releasing one when their first season was over, so I was wondering if this show was, too. I hope so, because I am just now discovering how great this show is, and I want to get caught up on all the episodes I missed before the second season.
Thanks, Polter-Cow. Hopefully, UPN will show the repeats over the summer.
No date. There are hints that they may come out in September with few to no extras, but no official word.
cinaminsweet281 - they are definitely showing reruns over the summer. Other people have posted emails from UPN, specifically saying that they are showing reruns over the summer and to try to get people to watch.
I was wondering if Keith has found out about the speeding ticket and that the time of death was off when he was investigating.
Thanks! I appreciate the VM help. The backstory is confusing, but it wouldn't be such a great show without it.
Oh yeah, I know that now. My first assumption, though, was that it meant her college graduation year.
I'm thinking of watching this show. I watched the premiere episode when the show...premiered and I found it to be decent, but I was unable to watch the next few episodes and by then I wasn't sure if I would be able to catch on. It seems like a cult show, intricate story arcs and all which is totally my type of show. Since the finale was recent, if I watch the finale and knowing only stuff from episode one, will I be totally confused? Will it be at least watchable?
Yes. You will be VERY CONFUSED. The character development, the plot twists throughout the season, the killer itself, will be VERY CONFUSING. My recommendation - this is what I am doing with all my not-hooked-yet friends: Watch the season. Watch as many episodes, in order, as you can. Stay away from the last 5 or so until you've seen many of the others (I'm sure there are many TWoPpers here who are willing to lend you tapes). Try to see "Pilot", "Echolls Family Christmas", "Clash of the Tritons" and "Ruskie Business" before you see anything after that. Try not to find out the killer or the rape resolution until you've done all you can.
And yes, it is VERY, VERY, VERY much worth it!
is there any where i can buy veronica mars stuff? I would really like a fun tshirt and I dont really know where to look....anyone have any ideas?
it would be cool if there were shirts that said "veronica mars is smarter than me"
anywho just curious
Elementalist, UPN will be showing repeats during the summer. You can catch up on the show then. Or you can wait for the DVDs in early September.
And the show is so totally worth it. There are a million reasons why Veronica Mars is the highest scoring show (based on user and recapper grade) in TWoP roster this season.
Junebug, you could always make your own T-shirts. All you need are those nice, cheap iron-on transfer papers they sell at any office supply store, some VM images from the web, and a color printer. Or, you could also get the opaque iron-on paper, which allows you to transfer designs to dark shirts. I've used it before to make Firefly t-shirts, and they work great. You just have to be a little creative, and you can advertise a great show!
Another option to make t-shirts is CafePress.com. They let you design customized t-shirts and they cost under $20. The only drawback is that whatever you want on the shirt has to be uploaded as a .jpg, even if it's just text. But if you don't have a decent printer, it might be cheaper to get a freeware or cheap graphics program and go that route. Heck, my old work computer came with Microsoft Paint for free, and that will let you save text as a .jpg. CafePress also lets people design shirts and put them up for sale, so there might even be someone who's already done the work for you on a "Veronica Mars is smarter than me" shirt.
I found this company while looking for a place where I could get some WWR2D2D? shirts made in honor of the upcoming Star Wars movie, but that's probably TMI about my geekiness as well as being waaaaaaay off topic.
I screwed up again, nothing to see here.
Yet ANOTHER customization website-- http://www.neighborhoodies.com. This website's a little more expensive than other customization sites I've looked at, but I love all the things I've gotten from it. you can make different styles of T-shirts, sweatshirts, underwear, bags, whatever. Now all I need to do is pick which VM slogan to use!
What kind of a phone is Veronica using in the last few episodes?
I think some other posters said it's a Sidekick.
Veronica's phone is a http://www.tmobile.com/products/overview.asp?phoneid=229040&class=phone
skk670, I asked that same question in the fashion thread and the great posters there answered my question. They rock.
Another newbie question (I'm slowly but surely making my way through the season), and this is probably obvious and stupid, but is Lilly older or younger than Duncan? I thought she was younger, but I'm not totally sure.
ETA- According to the fabulous timeline at http://www.marsinvestigations.net/timeline.php it's kind of up in the air actually. The timeline says Duncan was born on February 13, 1987, but then Lilly was supposedly born somewhere between January to October 1987. Maybe they're fraternal twins. How do we know that she's older? Her fountain had 1987-2003 engraved on it.
Warning: the timeline has spoilers in it if you haven't seen all the epis yet. It's Very up to date.
She's supposed to be older than Duncan, Veronica, and Logan, by ~ a year.
This does not mean she was a year ahead of them in school, but she could have been.
Rob Thomas said Lilly was older, and we believed him LIKE THE FOOLS WE ARE.
About the age difference conundrum, if you really wanted to fanwank, it's not hard to imagine that Duncan may have skipped a grade. He's supposed to be a really good student and I've known lots of people who have (I almost skipped a grade myself).
Lilly called him 'little brother' which doesn't cancel out that they might have been twins, but he is younger.
Did she use those words? I thought the assumption was made when she agreed about something someone said about having a younger brother, when she could simply have been identifying with having a brother, period.
Veronica and Duncan are definitely in the same grade. None of them are seniors because no one applied to college this year, and that would have been a big thing, especially with the Kane's.
Wanda Verner was a sophomore when she ran for government in "Return of the Kane". However, in the later episode with the valedictorian "Kane and Abel's", the Kanes held a meeting for the top five juniors and seniors in the school. Veronica was there and so was Duncan, meaning that they both have to be juniors. But wasn't Wanda supposed to be in the same grade as Veronica?
It's unclear whether Logan is in their grade or not. I would assume so, considering that he's in a number of the same classes as Duncan and Veronica. Who knows about Weevil, with his remedial math.
I do remember Lilly saying "little brother", maybe in the ep when Duncan went off his meds. That could mean that Lilly was a year above them, meaning she would have been a junior when she was killed, and Veronica et al would have been sophomores. Or she and Duncan could be twins, but that seems like a big piece of information I'm not sure Rob Thomas would have left out of the season.
Lilly was born 1987 and died 2003 and was driving so that indicates she was 16 on Oct 3, 2003. At the beginning of a school year most grade 11 students are usually 16 years old who might turn 17 later in the school year. Unlikely to be in grade 10 unless held back for a year.
Duncan, Veronica and likely Logan are in grade 11 currently. This means that they were 16 at the start of the school year starting 2004 and 15 at the start of the school year starting 2003. This means Lilly was 1 year older than they were.
She refers to him as her little brother in 1.13 Lord of the Bling
Her age is said to be 17 in Kanes and Abel's. The Keith Wiedman scene was done, Veronica came home, Keith told her about it and said that his 17 year old daughter had the Kanes worried.
I don't know if I've said it in this thread, but Rob Thomas told me directly that Lilly was a year older than the other kids. It's not canonical evidence, but I think it's the next best thing.
It's already been decided, I know, but Aaron calls her (and V, by extension) a "17 year old piece of ass" (ouch!) in LItB.
At the beginning of the season, all the press material and UPN's website said Veronica was 17. Her age wasn't mentioned on the show until Silence of the Lamb, which occured in December, when she told Leo she is 17.
Yolanda: Excuse my little brother, he's an ease dropping little freak.
Lilly: Ugh, mine's worse.
Lilly never actually said the words "little brother."
Now that I think about it, there was also the VMVO where Veronica says she feels guilty about using Deputy Leo, but then she remembers that Lilly would have been applying to colleges now. So, a year ahead.
Ooh. Nice catch.
Duncan must have repeated a grade because I was born on 2/13/87 and am a senior. That's very odd for someone born at the beginning of the year to repeat. Maybe he had some disease that made him miss a year. The epilepsy? Bah, none of their ages make sense for their age. They should have been younger before, but then they wouldn't have been able to drive. Shit, TV aging. Me no likes it.
Regarding Lilly and Duncan's ages, has anyone considered the fact that they might be half siblings? I'm not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere else (I haven't seen it mentioned on any of the dozens of pages I've read). Part of what makes me wonder this is Lilly calls Celeste by her first name in LitB when she's explaining to Veronica about her hiding place in the air vent. I realize that it's not uncommon for rebellious teens to call their parents by their first name, I just found it interesting. If this were the case, it could explain a lot of things (different treatment of Lilly and Duncan, the age dilemma etc., Lilly's rebellious nature). I'd LoVe (sorry I couldn't resist) to hear thoughts on this- even if you think I'm nuts :)!
lunarmars, you don't have to spoiler-tag your speculation. Otherwise half the VM forum would be blacked. And, while your theory is intersting, I do think we've had enough half-sibling shenanigans for a couple months, at least. Duncan and Veronica? Trina and Logan. Another set and I'M getting a paternity test. And notice that later in that same scene, Lilly does call Celeste "Mom". ("I don't know, but they seem to really upset Mom...") Of course, Trina does too occasionally, but I just think we need to take a breather before they reveal (or don't reveal) some more half-sibs.
Thanks for the spoiler info Kelmette16! And you make a good point about all of the sib stuff we just went through, I hadn't thought about it that way. As for:
Having missed the first five episodes (blame it on my dislike of Paris Hilton), I missed some early Logan development. I see that some of the posters here refer to him as something like "OTP" (although obviously not that). Can anyone explain what the letters mean?
It's OPJ, which stands for Obligatory Psychotic Jackass, which is how Veronica describes him to the audience in the pilot.
Wow. I come into this thread wanting to know what "OPJ" is, don't see it on the first page, read the entire thing from the beginning, and when I finally get to the latest page again, there it is!
I love you all.
Duncan doesn't have to have actually repeated a grade. It's not especially uncommon for boys to start school a year late for various reasons - sickness, emotional immaturity, even traveling.
I'd have to second Ulyyf. They wanted to have my brother repeat kindergarten just because he was small for his age. The year he was in kindergarten (1989) it became the fashion in our school district for kids, especially boys, to either go to "transistional first" (a class level between kindergarten and first grade) or start after their sixth birthday. He was practically the only one of his friends who was not held back in some way -- and only because my parents threw a fit and had a lot of extra tests done to prove he was smart enough to go on.
Hee. So did my lil' bro, tresgeek. My mother is insanely over protective of him, so she held him back one year in kindergarten.
Did she hold me back in kindergarten? Nooooo. She sent my ass into school even though I was younger than the rest! I am the neglected one.
Bitter? not at all, why do you ask?
Anyhoo, I suppose Celeste is protective enough to hold Duncan back a year. Mothers are crazy lke that.
Okay, so I'm not a newbie and I don't even think my question belongs here, but I've done a search and couldn't find anything about it. Didn't dare create a new thread either. Hope I'm not doing anything too wrong by posting this here.
I've always been a fan of shows where merchandise(sp?) is available. I have my Buffy and Angel calendars up on the wall right now. So, does anyone know if there is or will be VM merchandise, like calendars, key rings, mugs and so on, available? I'd really like to have a Veronica Mars 2006 calendar next year.
Can I just mention how busy Jake Kane must have been getting in 1986/87? Knocked Celeste up twice and had sufficiently many liasons with Lianne as to make Veronica's paternity questionable? The man must have the best stamina in the world! (Although, now that I think about it, he was class of '79 from Neptune High, so he was only...what, 23?)
My other thought is...were Duncan and Lilly always rich kids? When was streaming video developed? Because I feel like that had to have been fairly recent, right? Not before '87, anyway. When did Jake start his company, anyway? I mean, how many 23 year olds have gigantic software companies that are inventing major projects can there be? We already have a Bill Gates, right? Do we think L and D may have been born before Jake hit it rich? (Although then there's the video footage of toddler Lilly on a pony, so...)
Oh, damn! But I guess you're right. I would still love to have a VM calendar, though. Maybe 2007 calendar then... Let's hope.
Quick question re: board shorthand. I've seen many posts that reference "OPJ" - what does that mean?
many thanks.
Obligatory Psychotic Juicebox.
OPJ = obligatory psychotic jackass
In the Pilot, when Veronica is scanning the 09er table and pointing out kids, thats how she describes Logan
ETA:healing fish got there first!!
In the Pilot, Veronica introduces Logan to the audience by referring to him as her school's "Obligatory Psychotic Jackass." So OPJ is shorthand around here for Logan the jackass in the early eps.
ETA: Never mind . . . juicebox. Hee.
Which was just asked and answered on the page before this.
Thank you, thank you, and sorry for asking a question that was on the previous page! I got worn out searching pages 1-8 and gave up. I did search the FAQ page, though.
Juicebox. :)
Now here's a question--why does everyone keep saying juicebox?
If that's an AD reference then I deserve to have my DVDs taken away.
healing fish started it, because she's weird.
Or maybe I'm really stupid and thought that was what OPJ stood for.
I've been reading the recaps for Veronica Mars and really want to see the show.
Does anyone know if it's been picked up in the UK yet and if so, what channel?
Thanks, and I apologise if this question's already been asked.
Veronica Mars has not been picked up yet in the UK. Inigo has been writing various channels there to ask/encourage/harass them into picking up the show.
So, in the fall, this show is moving to Wednesday nights at 9/8 central? It's up against the moved (time-wise) Lost? Oh, man.
Anybody know anything about the first season on DVD?
Yep, it's going up against Lost next season. It's being discussed in the "Hope Springs Eternal: Ratings and Scheduling" thread.
There was hopes that the DVD would come out before season 2 starts, so they could rope in new viewers. But apparently, the release has been pushed back to October. There's discussion about it in "What We'd Like To See On A Veronica Mars DVD".
In regards to VM in the UK one of my friends in England said that no one has picked it up yet, but that "Sky" is trying to buy it.
If that means anything to you...
For those of you that missed the first season, or do not get UPN, email me or visit the Tape Swap thread. Rabid fans like myself will make sure that you get the eppies.
I feel stupid asking this because it's not so much a newbie question as a "lack of general knowledge" question, but what does PCH mean? I've never heard of PCH bikers. Is it a kind of bike? Or does it have something to do with Weevil's particular gang?
ETA Ah, thank you. I don't feel so stupid now because I've never been to California and had no way of knowing that.
It stands for Pacific Coast Highway, the highway running by Neptune.
Oops. Double post.
I believe it stands for the Pacific Coast Highway, which runs along the California coast.
ETA: Damn, beat to it.
Ok, this may be totally morbid, but I couldn't help wondering...did they even mention if Lily was buried or cremated? I always wondered why Veronica didn't go to her grave, but then wondered if there was one.
I don't believe we are ever told.
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